1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,480 We're watching this thing that started out, they first saw this unusual bright object 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,160 in the sky looking west from their house there on Anderson Street which would make it toward 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,160 the Nellis Bridge. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,160 And evidently it was up there in that area. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,520 It was extremely bright orange and it looked like it had some blueish tint to the bottom 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,520 of it. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:34,760 And then as they noticed later it had shifted over to the area of Mount Rainier and evidently 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,080 they saw no movement of it but it had gone from one place to the other in a span of time 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,080 and just occurred to over there. 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,920 And he couldn't give me much of, oh much of the depth perception out of how many miles 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,920 away or how high it was. 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:59,040 So he said on an angle, using the sky as a top reference point, he said it was about 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:09,040 45 degree angle off of the earth and it's about on the next summit. 14 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,040 Yeah, well that sounds interesting. 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,040 South Anderson, I see that. 16 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,040 I'm not sure if he's down near the airport or not. 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,040 Down near where? 18 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Up on the board. 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,040 Oh no, that's way, way far from McCartan. 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,040 Yeah, he used to live in that area. 21 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,040 That's a long way from McCartan. 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,040 So anyway, I thought I'd check and see if you'd have any call. 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,040 Well, sure, I appreciate it. 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,040 I was thinking about you this afternoon. 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,040 I thought, well what the heck? 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,040 I haven't heard from our favorite newsman. 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,040 Well, I should say, you know, the holidays just really got busy there and you spend a 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,040 lot of time with the family here and there. 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,040 So we didn't have, I didn't have much of a chance to really get into some of the things 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,040 I wanted to. 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,040 And one of the things I wanted to do before the snow fell, which I never did get done, 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:03,040 was to take another plane trip down there to the Sahelis area and look over the ground 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,040 that we didn't cover. 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:14,040 And the area, about five miles, I guess it was northwest of where we were supposed to be. 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,040 And I never got a chance to do that either. 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Yeah, that's just about out now till spring. 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Yeah, I know. 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Yeah. 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Love it. 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Oh well. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,040 You know that darn fireball is still in the news. 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:33,040 I heard something on the radio the other day, the thing was still considered a super mystery. 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Oh, there was a shot on the AP about the tell Northwest who was looking for it saying that 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:47,040 it's, that they've got it, they think they have the impact area narrowed down to within 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:55,040 a large square mile area in eastern Washington, which I think is the baloney myself. 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,040 You see, they've got two mixed up there. 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:06,040 Yeah, I know that I think what they saw was one of these things that happened to break up in the sky over there 48 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,040 that the lady in the soap makes, but I don't think they have an impact area there. 49 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,040 I think something may have busted up in the sky, but by the time there was, 50 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,040 it hit the ground, it was probably disintegrated. 51 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:27,040 We had a fifth report from a fellow around Spokane, and he saw something in the sky that same night, 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,040 and he said that he made two 90 degree turns while he was watching it. 53 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,040 Oh, is that right? 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Yeah. 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,040 Well, I'll be there. 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,040 So that's six different objects now. 57 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,040 By the way, I saw you on the tube not too long ago. 58 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Really? 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,040 I forget what channel it was. 60 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,040 No, I know it was Channel 4. 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,040 Ed Evans was interviewing you on your, on your conclusions after your investigation. 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Oh, yes. 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Yes, and I just turned on the tube when I was there, you were. 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Yeah. 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,040 It was on a Sunday night, I think. 66 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,040 Yeah, he, he was quite interested. 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Yeah. 68 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,040 I'm rather surprised that so much had gone on that night. 69 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:15,040 Well, I'm surprised that after all that did go on last night, it kind of ended up really, you know, not much of anything. 70 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:21,040 I mean, I'm surprised that nobody really has really dug into this thing. 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Yeah, I think that we're probably the only two groups in the whole area that really worked on it at all. 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,040 Oh, yeah, I think that'd be a safe bet. 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:40,040 I also think that the town northwest, when I talked to the guy over there some time ago, after I first heard the reports, they were looking over there. 74 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:49,040 From what he, from what the spokesman for the place could tell me, they had the less reason to be looking over there than we did over here. 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:05:00,040 They didn't have the, half of the cooperating statements from the pilots who saw it go down, and saw this thing burning on the ground, and we did. 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,040 They had, you know, a couple of farmers here and they earned some people as if they saw something that was wrong. 77 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Yeah. 78 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:15,040 Of course, we had terrific cooperation from the people on this side of the mountain, from Canada right south. 79 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:23,040 And getting all these witnesses, or an awful lot of witnesses, is really important, trying to get some kind of a picture out of a jigsaw puzzle like that. 80 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,040 Yeah, well, damn it, I wish I'd seen something like that. 81 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Yeah, yeah. 82 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,040 And I didn't make a good beginning to thank everybody in the world for all of this. 83 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,040 How has your activity been on your phone the last week or so? 84 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Very slow. 85 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,040 Very, and it always, things are really dead during the holidays anyway. 86 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,040 Why do you think so? 87 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Well, everybody's wrapped up with Christmas and New Year's, then towards about the middle of January, the 1st of February, where things start to pick up again. 88 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:59,040 Do you ever check for those, like the toll free number organization that's, uh... 89 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,040 Oh, Heineck? 90 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,040 Yeah, I guess that's it. 91 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,040 Do you ever check with them to see what kind of activity they get on any nights? 92 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,040 No, we get a copy of their summary report at the end of each month. 93 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Oh, I see. 94 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:19,040 It doesn't give any information in great detail, but it gives the number of sightings on each date and the location. 95 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,040 I see. 96 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Are you ever surprised to see something from the Seattle area that you're aware of? 97 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,040 Yes, yes. 98 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Really? 99 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Yeah. 100 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,040 And of course, he gets this data from the police department. 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Uh, does it say which agency reports? 102 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,040 No, no, I just, uh... 103 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:48,040 See, he sent all of his, uh, information and let it show out strictly to police departments, and this is who he depends on more than the news media. 104 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,040 But he does send you his reports? 105 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,040 Oh, yes, the summary, right. 106 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,040 I see. 107 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,040 And then that way, of course, we get some kind of a picture of what he's doing. 108 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:06,040 I think that we're, as far as the Pacific Northwest is concerned, we're getting a lot more than he is, though. 109 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,040 Are you all right? 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,040 Yeah. 111 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,040 Well, I'll be all right. 112 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,040 Of course, people out here are pretty UFO minded. 113 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,040 They're, uh... 114 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:24,040 Of course, KGR has always been a UFO station for the total area, and, uh, they're just... 115 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Lariat is the subject. 116 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,040 You ever hear what happened to, uh, did you ever know, uh, what was his name? 117 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Major Wayne Aho? 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Oh, yes. 119 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,040 What, uh, what is, uh, what's he into now? 120 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Oh, he's still making speeches. 121 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Is he? 122 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Yeah. 123 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,040 What was your opinion about his activity in that area? 124 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,040 Strictly negative. 125 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Why? 126 00:07:48,040 --> 00:08:00,040 Well, the man, uh, I think the thing that really turned me sour on him was shortly after I had made his acquaintance, he got involved in quite a stock scandal back in Oklahoma City. 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Oh, is that right? 128 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:14,040 Uh, they were out, him and another group were out selling stock to a secret project where they were going to send this, uh, disc-shaped spacecraft to the moon. 129 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Man. 130 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,040 Wow. 131 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,040 And they had discovered the propulsion to the UFOs and so forth and so forth. 132 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,040 He got in a lot of trouble back there. 133 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,040 Did he ever do any time over that? 134 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,040 No, he didn't. 135 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,040 He got out of it. 136 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:36,040 But, uh, I think that the top people got a little time out of it. 137 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:44,040 But anyway, uh, he incorporates religion a lot into this thing and I just don't see it at all. 138 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,040 Okay. 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Would you label him as, uh, would you put him in the category of crackpot? 140 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Well, I kind of like to put into the category of the lunatic friends. 141 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Well, I think that's the same deal. 142 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Same difference, yeah. 143 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:12,040 Yeah, I don't even know if the guy wants it, I never was able to figure out just exactly where he is, uh, where his head was at, is it worth regarding all of this stuff? 144 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:20,040 But after that, well, I stayed clear of him and I, I don't go around playing him down, but by the same token, I don't go around doing it a lot either. 145 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,040 Uh, he's a cheat, he's a lunatic. 146 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Well, I would say, I guess that's about it. 147 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Um, yeah, I can't think of anything else. 148 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,040 Well, if anything pops, let me know. 149 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,040 Yeah, and I sure appreciate you having me call. 150 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Okay, talk to you later. 151 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Okay, bye-bye.